All posts by DeathrockFairy

I would suggest you discuss things with @TheInternetTombRaider as you keep conveniently ignoring the fact that I was given permission by an admin to change the page.

You’ve made it abundantly clear that you’re choosing to ignore all pertinent information and that you are unable to clearly define your aesthetic, hence why you have remained unable to explain it.

As I have already stated, the aesthetic you are discussing is too vague and small to stand on its own. Like “Dark Fairycore” or “Dark Mori Kei”, there is no reason to have a separate page for “dark ethereal” in reference to the Ethereal internet aesthetic.

Aesthetics Wiki is not the place for personal aesthetics. You may dislike Goth music, but there is no denying that the musicians and films and even anime you have referenced are all making reference to Goth imagery in some way or have even inspired it. You can’t conveniently ignore that simply because it’s not to your personal taste.

More importantly, your behavior has been incredibly volatile and you have continued to be untruthful about my conduct. This is not social media and these pages are not personal property. Personal attacks are entirely inappropriate.

I do wish you would clearly explain the differences in visuals and music because you haven’t done so even once, including in your own writing on the page.

The imagery you listed remains the same as those used by Goth bands (and I can give you visual resources). Influence from Ophelia and Sleeping Beauty often appears in Goth and dream pop (for instance, my own profile photo is from Siouxsie Sioux’s Ophelia photo shoot). The descriptions and photos you gave are also highly reminiscent of This Mortal Coil’s “Acid, Bitter and Sad” music video. And of course the profusion of white/pale clothing and veils/sheer fabric is almost exactly the same as what is worn by White/Ice Goths.

The films and even anime you listed all have some visual influence from Goth or to Goth culture (for instance, much of “dark” anime is influenced by Visual Kei and Gothic Lolita, both scenes of which are closely involved with Japan’s Goth scene).

(I will exclude Harry Potter though, which is actually Academia and Witch/Wizard aesthetics with a bit of Gothic imagery that would better be seen as Dark Fantasy.)

The music you listed was only tied together by vague visuals, but all should be grouped differently. For instance, Melanie Martinez is mostly Dual Kawaii and is an influence to Pastel Goths. Evanescence are a pop-metal band often misconstrued as Goth, but they use imagery similar to Gothic Metal and Symphonic Metal. Lana Del Rey is typically grouped within modern dream pop, but is in general a vague art rock artist. None of them actually fit together at all.

I will also say that your efforts to defame me and my work has been entirely inappropriate, particularly as I already told you that I was given permission to change “Dethereal” by one of the site admins with whom I spoke to and who commented on your page. I did not act without jurisdiction from Aesthetics Wiki and I made that clear.

A separate Ethereal Goth page is unnecessary (as discussion with the admin in question has helped me to see), though it was very kind of you to create one. It is better grouped as a sub-genre of Woodland Goth due to the expansive use of dark ethereal imagery in the many facets of the OG Goth scene.

If what you are attempting to do is invent a dark facet for “Ethereal”, perhaps more villains than princesses, it would be better listed as a sub-genre on that page as otherwise it is far too vague to stand on its own (which is why “Dark Fairycore” and “Dark Mori Kei” are listed as sub-genres of Fairycore and Mori Kei.)

What I’ve tried to convey is that unlike other “Goth” suffix aesthetics that are not involved at all with Goth music, dark ethereal aesthetics are too closely integrated with Goth music to attempt to fully separate the two. It’s also important to note that many non-Goth music artists have taken from Goth imagery, particularly in this sense, and most of these artists have even admitted as much. (Such as the aforementioned Grimes.)

Genres like Bubble Goth, Pastel Goth, Cyber Goth, and even Mall Goth are not considered a part of Goth music sub-culture. Cyber Goth is a darker version of clothing worn in the EBM dance scene. Pastel Goth is dark Kawaii clothing. Bubble Goth was a hybrid of Cyber Goth and Kawaii. Mall Goths are actually misnamed Nu-Metal and Industrial fans for the most part.

But dark ethereal imagery and ethereal wave music have been deeply entwined since the 80s. Since the time that music critics used the word “ethereal” to describe the voice of Elizabeth Fraser, dark ethereal aesthetics and Goth culture have been inextricably linked.

I suggested the creation of a Cyber Pixie page because it is visually different from other “fairy” aesthetics, as well as being linked to Grimes’ “Ethereal” music genre, art rock, and electro pop. The imagery and music are linked and are clearly different from other aesthetics (making it far superior to Kerilee’s “Bubble Goth” invention).

The sheer amount of visual overlap here on Aesthetics Wiki is daunting, but the aesthetics listed have to be divided as clearly and cleanly as possible. It’s hard to do, but differentiation is immensely necessary in order for this to become a site that properly chronicles the aesthetics of the past and of today.

Anytime. 👍

If you ever make a Cyber Pixie kind of page, let me know, ‘cause I’d love to see it. It would certainly help a lot of modern art pop fans to properly differentiate their style without misusing terms like “Goth”.

I think Cyber Pixie (or something of the like) would make a good page.

The Bubble Goth page on this Wiki isn’t filled out very well. It doesn’t properly show that the style was originally a hybrid of Cyber Goth/Punk with pastel, soft Fairy Kei. But as the style of Bubble Goth’s creator Kerilee has evolved, more ethereal, modernized Fairycore elements have been incorporated into her style (like unicorn horns).

I’ve also seen Bjork and Aurora embrace similar aesthetics, although Bjork is more surreal and Aurora has progressively become more subdued.

Bubble Goth, which is not considered a part of the Goth community, and is used mostly by pop singers.

The 80s movement New Romantic was heavily inspired by Rococo decadence, but with a punk twist thanks to the fashion designs of Vivienne Westwood. (Rococopunk, I guess.)

Adam Ant did a pirate/highwayman variant of the style (as did Bow Wow Wow).

LOL

I don’t think that person was trying to cuss specifically at you. There’s no reason to. They seemed more upset at the thought that an aesthetic could be taken too seriously by people. But it’s very clear that you really didn’t mean it like that.

You’re doing awesome and you can like whatever aesthetics you like. Don’t let anyone get you down. ✨

Whoever made the Dethereal page, thanks. I’ve been meaning to make a page on Ethereal Goth and ethereal wave.💕

City Pop, Lo-Fi, Animecore, Kawaii

2000s Emo is good but not Midwest Emo

A Kawaii lifestyle means for you whatever it means for you personally.

A personal aesthetic is just a collection of arts (mostly visuals, fashion, literature/film, and music) that you like and that fit together the way that feels right to you.

In this case, Kawaii is a very broad visual-based aesthetic (mostly in fashion, decor, and imagery) so there really are no lifestyle constraints.

Sanriocore and Fairy Grunge

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