It's not an aesthetic. I'm sure I don't need to say more
It's not an aesthetic. I'm sure I don't need to say more
No matter how much I disagree with it, is technically is an aesthetic. Tbh, I kinda wish it could get deleted. Please delete it, it's an extremely offensive aesthetic.
THANK YOU DUDE !!! ffs its an aesthetic! just fucking avoid it if u dont like it.
PusheenPoprocks; like I said in the post, it's not gonna get deleted. We have a trigger warning at the top to let people know "Hey, we knows this might be offensive, but we feel like there is some relevant information here that you can use to keep an eye on people who start showing signs of this to cut those people out of your life but it if does bother you that much, please don't read this page." That Trigger Warning, I feel like, is a fair middle ground that can be reached but we are NOT, I repeat, WE ARE NOT, going to delete a page just because some people find it offensive. The Aesthetics Wiki is about documentation, not promotion; just because an aesthetic is on this wiki doesn't mean we endorse it.
As much effort that goes into something that's only aping Nazi aesthetics for shock value, I'm surprised you guys don't exert this kind of effort going after Fashwave; an aesthetic that is LITERALLY designed for no other purpose than to promote Nazism. At least that one I could see more of an argument for (even though, again, you'll get the same answer you're getting now; no).
Now, I've said multiple times no, it's not coming down... I've EXPLAINED why it's not coming down... can we drop the discussion? You're NOT gonna change anybody's mind on this.
PS: To the asshole who keeps trying to be an edgelord about the Nazi shit, you can fuck ALL the way off.
Geez people, I'm just asking for an offensive page to be deleted, comparing me to a Nazi is a bit extreme.
They're comparing you to a Nazi even though we're just asking for an extremely offensive page to be deleted? Yikes. Who the heck even thought is was a good idea to add that stupid page in the first place?
And once again, we've been over this multiple times ON THAT PAGE... we have a trigger warning there for a reason; if it offends you, don't look at it (if you look at it knowing you'll be offended anyways, that's on you and I have no sympathy for people like that). And if being offensive is grounds to delete a page, you could make an argument for a good chunk of these pages to be deleted: Academia, Cottagecore, Rainbowcore, Synthwave, Afrofuturism, Fashwave, Drugcore, Skinheads, Art Hoe, Glowwave, Club Kids, Medicalcore, Trashcore, Traumacore, Hustlewave, Lostcore, Slimepunk, Oriental, Laborwave, Vampire, Punk in general, the list could go on and on. There's some element in each of these aesthetics that some people could find offensive, be it promoting a predominantly single-colored worldview (be it black white, Asian, Hispanic), celebrating colonialism and the destruction of indigenous cultures, it can trigger epilepsy, it can be seen as celebrating a time that was damaging for a particular group of people, some people may have phobias associated with a certain thing.
The reason I'm angry/annoyed about it is because, again, we've already had this discussion multiple times at this point and after a while, you get sick and tired of repeating yourself; it's not coming down, it IS an aesthetic (despite your initial claims in the post), this Wiki is about documenting aesthetics (not promotion/endorsement... if that were the case, Fashwave would DEFINITELY not be a page on here considering, unlike Nazi Chic, that's an aesthetic that's actively trying to promote Nazism... in fact, Nazi Chic wouldn't even be on here either), a trigger warning is perfectly acceptable to include on the page, and no amount of asking/demanding (which is exactly what this is), and judging from the fact Fandom staff HAVE deleted a page here on the past (the Guido page, because guido is a slur against Italian people and that page DIDN'T have a trigger warning on it, for the record) apparently they deem a trigger warning on the page sufficient as well. If you don't like what a particular aesthetic is about, don't go on the page; just pretend it doesn't exist if that makes you more comfortable... simple as that.
So stop asking, the answer hasn't changed in all this time and it's not gonna change now; no, it's not getting deleted. I'm sorry. If anything, I personally see pages like that as good educational tools to keep an eye out for white nationalist types on the internet so you know when they're to bullshit you, be it the iconography and excuses they'll tend to use (which we cover in the Nazi Chic page if you bothered to read it), how they'll co-opt popular aesthetics and use that to try and promote their hateful ideology (which we cover on the Skinheads page... yes, believe it or not, not all Skinheads are Nazis), and to pick up on their subtle dogwhistles and what kinds of tactics they will use to try and recruit people into their movement (which we cover on the Fashwave page, which can also serve as an example of how, if they can't successfully infiltrate an aesthetic scene like they have with Cottagecore, they'll make a bootleg version of it). With that knowledge, you know to keep an eye out for the symbols/dogwhistles they use and know to stay away from a certain individual and, if it's a friend using it, try to figure out what you can do to steer your friend away from that kind of life; something I wish I was able to do when I saw friends going down that path myself. So... let's drop the topic, it's not coming down, I think it can serve as a great educational tool to know what to look out for when you accidentally bump into a stranger flashing the Black Sun logo around since it's not as well known as the Nazi Swastika, that's the end of the discussion on my end.
So apparently putting a trigger warning on it makes it ok all of a sudden? No! Both Nazi Chic and Fashwave are so, so wrong. Drop the topic, fine, just know that this stuff is not only horrible, sickening, and disgusting behavior, but not deleting it is a toxic move. Trigger warnings may help people who have trauma or can't bear to read about this type of stuff, but you know what might help even more? Deleting it. Simple as that. Just a click of a button (or maybe more, I don't know how deleting pages works). But this isn't ok.
Then call it toxic, I'm . I see it as a chance to educate and to potentially stop another fascist uprising by making it known what they did. As far as what they're about being wrong? I completely agree; Nazi Chic makes a joke about a serious topic and Fashwave openly promotes it. But deleting it isn't the answer; viciously mocking anybody who partakes in these sorts of behaviors and educating people who might be on the borderline is the answer, and that ain't gonna be accomplished by deleting the page and making it seem like "forbidden knowledge", which will ALWAYS be tantalizing, especially to edgelord dipshits.
Just trust me on this one; deleting it is only gonna make them stronger and give them a win.
Ok, so don't delete it, but how bout this. Make the page so that it doesn't promote Nazi activity! You are not educating people on how horrible the topic is, you are poisoning their minds to believe that it's an aesthetic. Fashwave especially. If these "aesthetics" are just lying around on this website, with no one telling people that it's clearly very wrong, some idiots are gonna fully believe in everything it says and support everything it says. It's not stopping any uprising because, once again, if it's on this aesthetics website, some people looking for their aesthetic might want it. I'm not asking to make it forbidden knowledge, people still teach this stuff in schools.
At least make it less promoting of this sickening stuff.
Then you might like what I did with the Fashwave page when I wrote it (it's... rather passive-aggressive, I'll say... of course, you'd know that if you had actually read the page instead of just assuming the worst). As for people adopting it... if people are willing to adopt something called "Nazi Chic" as part of their personal aesthetic (especially given what they teach in schools); I hate to break it to you, but they were a lost cause to begin with. AT BEST, you can hope they eventually outgrow it and realize "I was a dipshit" but, more often than not, they'll just be rightly shunned by polite society.
What do you think?